Editorial: How ‘The Orville’ Ruined ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ For Me

The Orville vs Star Trek Discovery; critical divide

A few months ago, The Orville hit Australian television sets, and I binged-watched it in its entirety. My passion for this show was so deep, I wrote an editorial about its critical discourse: Critics Vs The Orville: What’s Going On? There, I briefly looked at its critical reception, comparing it to Star Trek: Discovery‘s comparative acclaim. At the time of writing that article, I had enjoyed Star Trek: Discovery enough, but felt like it did not bring the same level of heart and detail as Seth Macfarlane’s homage-ridden show. Now, the sophomore seasons for both properties have just begun and… I had a lot of feelings.

First and foremost, The Orville Season 2 is now ranking at 100% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes—a far cry from Season 1’s 28% rating. In contrast, Star Trek: Discovery was certified fresh at 87%, and its second season has risen to an impressive 98% rating. Now, this is not to say that The Orville had made any massive changes that Discovery did not; both series have maintained a similar degree of quality the second time around, and I would attribute The Orville’s success to a weeding out of critics who disliked it from the first episode.

The Orville vs Star Trek Discovery; critical divide
The crew on ‘The Orville’ are more fleshed out than their ‘Star Trek’ counterparts.

However, for me, the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery left me disappointed. This was not because of any expectations the show set for itself—as I said, it was of a similar ilk to its first season. The only difference was that I already had new episodes of Star Trek being released through a so-called parody show; I could tune in every week, spend some time with a crew I loved, and enjoy a few ethical quandaries along the way. In contrast, I had forgotten the names of many of Star Trek: Discovery’s main characters, felt myself scrolling through my phone during ’emotional’ moments and found things more laughable than I did engaging. I felt the need to watch the latest episode of The Orville straight after finishing Discovery, because one thing Discovery achieved was putting me in the mood for some real Star Trek.

Star Trek: Discovery’s latest episode kicks off with Captain Pike boarding the ship after a distress call. We are then treated to revelations about our main character, Michael Burnham’s, relationship with her half-brother, Spock. Already, we are given a spotlight on two characters from Star Trek canon—and personally, the inclusion of Pike was what made this episode bearable for me. Pike is a captain that, I feel, could have held an entire prequel series—he is charming and likeable, feeling like a breath of fresh air injected into the heavy atmosphere of Discovery. However, the rest of the episode was more of the same ‘gritty’ content: a Federation ship lays stranded on a volatile asteroid, our crew must perform death-defying stunts in extremely modern tech, and Michael has some familial issues going on, making way for some vague flashbacks.

Also in this episode, we learnt the names of the crew. While this may seem like a first-episode deal for most Star Trek content, the first season of Discovery featured four main crew-members and a bunch of faces that we recognised but didn’t know anything about. Featured in this group were ‘girl with a strange eye,’ ‘dreadlocked pilot’, and ‘random robot.’ In last night’s episode, Pike had the common decency to ask for everyone’s names, and we were given a brief introduction before we were catapulted into action. Meanwhile, Pike’s science-officer/Spock stand-in died suddenly mid-flight, but not many people seemed to care too much.

yaphit; The Orville vs Star Trek Discovery; critical divide
He may not look like much, but he has a lot of character.

Meanwhile, on The Orville, a gelatinous life-form (Yaphit) who was used for a quick gag in the first episode is fleshed out more and more throughout the season. Dann, another side-character, is both recognisable and hilarious, and our prior knowledge of his character gives us an interesting dynamic when he is sent on a blind date with Alara, the security officer of the ship. Last night, I was emotionally moved by an episode about a character’s pornography addiction—a concept so ridiculous that only some likeable characters and impeccable writing can pull off. I felt slightly guilty for regarding a story about alien pornography as more valuable than Discovery’s more serious and epic narrative, but when you are not given enough time getting to know your characters, it is really difficult to care.

Will I keep watching Discovery? Probably. But it will be more out of a sense of obligation than actual enjoyment. I need to make clear that I am aware that these two shows are trying to achieve different things; one is a light-hearted, comedic take on a nostalgic property, and the other is a darker, more serious angle on something we already know. To me, I don’t watch Star Trek for high-stakes action and technobabble (which Discovery has in spades), but to feel comforted among a crew of people I can see myself slotting into. If you want impressive cinematography and complex lore-building, then I don’t blame you for enjoying Discovery—but it doesn’t make you feel like you did as a kid, eyes glued to the primary-coloured uniforms on a Sunday afternoon.


  1. The Orville is 90’s Trek wrapped around bad jokes and nonsensical repetitive behavior. How many time will they land on a planet, engage with a alien society, get in trouble over a misunderstanding and then research the society to find a solution? Something they should have done before contact?

    Three or four episodes like that already, the only difference now is that Bortus & friends decided to turn into Rambo and the Untouchables and slaughter their captors. Look, if you’re going to create a fake star to change an entire society then saying beaming your crew out of prison is against the rules is ridiculously stupid.

    If Norm just playing himself as a ball of living snot reaches you then I’m putting you on the list of people who don’t know Star Trek, they just love goofy McFarlane jokes.

    • The Orville at least tries to impart a deeper meaning to its stories. Whereas Discovery is trying to cash in on the Star Wars epic space battle craze. All style and no substance. All glitz and no heart. You can bash Seth McFarlane all you want, but he has more talent than the writers of Discovery. They give no voice or personality to Discovery, and in the process they discrace the legacy of all Trek before them.

      • If you can’t see the same attempts with Discovery you’re just not being honest. Both shows try to impart deeper meaning that alone doesn’t make them quality. Especially when the execution is horrible.

        I mentioned the repeated cultural mistakes trope Orville uses to force “meaning” into a poorly written story (remember the grinding on a statue thing?) but how about the one with the people trapped during a supernova?

        Do you think it made sense to fly down to rescue them then have Bortus day “ I assume you have radiation suits”? Sure it forced a scenario where people had to decide who lives but why wouldn’t they ask that BEFORE they left and just bring them extra suits?

        That is why the forced “deeper meaning” is pointless because the script feels written by marginally capable screenwriters.

        • Discovery is trash piled upon trash. No surprise it’s produced by the guys behind Michael Bay’s Transformers, and written by hacks who penned stuff for Halloween 4 and Desperate Housewives. Discovery dumbs down a Trek franchise that’s been dumbing down for decades, for an already dumbed down 21st century audience.

  2. I’m in the exact same boat. As much as I want to like Discovery I just don’t care about more than three or four characters. The Orville is what I always want Sci Fi to be; real, relatable, characters using ingenuity and excellence to deal with bizarre and unreal situations.

    Discovery does this too but it’s more forced and flashy. Reminds me of a guy who buys a girlfriend two dozen roses because he couldn’t be bothered getting something personal. Sounds romantic but it’s just a few handfuls of severed plant genitals.

  3. Discovery is ruined by itself, with its meaningless history, scientifically absurd. Even if we consider it as a space fantasy series, it is completely absurd. Identifying the biggest problem in this series is a difficult task: The main character is a person with behavioral problems. The scripts are inconsistent and solemnly ignore the Star Trek timeline.

  4. I don’t mind Orville. But their fans are terrible. They are obsessed with trolling on Discovery boards. For that reason alone, I would be happy if Orville was cancelled.

    • I don’t mind if both get cancelled. STD is the trashier disease though and should be put down with prejudice. The Orville is cute for an episode or three, but also is mostly lightweight cheese whiz crap. Let’s not get misty eyes over the original Star Trek universe based series either, they had some serious flaws. But at least they were cranking out 25 episodes a year, but a third of those are seriously good, and another third are solid, with just a few warts. Looking at the entire body of work, the original universe had probably couple hundred episodes of high quality television that had everything one could want. The Orville is a poor substitute, it needs to go away to make room for a real sci-fi series to step in. STD just needs to be excised as if it never existed though.

  5. I watched about 4/5 of the first season of Discovery. Maybe I’ll check out the now-in-progress second season, but I have to admit that I’m not engaged in the story or invested in the characters. It seems like all flash over substance. The stories seemed chaotic and rushed, with writing that has little character development beyond Burnham and people continually acting in bizarre ways. Much of the crew were simply faces and even some of the main characters we didn’t know well. And killing off main crew members for dramatic effect? This is science fiction set in a universe that they have labeled “Star Trek”, which is very different than the real thing. Let’s hope they don’t screw up the new Picard series in a similar way. A friend is sending me the first season of The Orville, so I look forward to seeing that show when the discs arrive.

  6. Discovery is terrible. It is teeny bopper tv with ships and lasers. There is no real substance. I would like to see it cancelled.

    The Orville is no substitute for proper Trek but understands the heart and mind behind it all. I enjoy it. It is light years ahead of Discovery which is all chaos, explosions and tears for teens.

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